Hip-Hop - Page 114

cmd · 07-09-2008, 06:52 PM

You're sounding exactly like Jack Thompson right now. If they're seeing music as a call to action, anything in society could trigger their violence. Getting rid of hip-hop or the negative themes in it would only make something else the scapegoat.

Darth Terent · 07-10-2008, 11:31 AM

It's not getting rid of hip hop, it's simply getting rid of certain types of lyrics. The problem is that rappers speak of these things with pride.

And then what happens? The very young population starts to adopt these things in order to "fit in" and all of that BS. It's true, and rappers are the ones to blame.

Mike · 07-10-2008, 11:36 AM

Norse, please stop. You really have no clue what you're talking about. If you want that to be banned, you should want movies that glorify violence to be banned. You should want games that glorify killing to be banned. You should want the whole world to be lollipops and teletubbies (of course not the gay one in your case). But, you don't want that. You just don't want black youth to have a form of expressing where they come from and what they experience.

Darth Terent · 07-10-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike

Norse, please stop. You really have no clue what you're talking about. If you want that to be banned, you should want movies that glorify violence to be banned. You should want games that glorify killing to be banned. You should want the whole world to be lollipops and teletubbies (of course not the gay one in your case). But, you don't want that. You just don't want black youth to have a form of expressing where they come from and what they experience.

Surely you, from GEORGIA, should understand what I am saying? Aren't you a fellow Southerner?

Look, sure, there's other violence. But other violence in other media isn't inviting. It doesn't glorify itself to the extent that rappers glorify rape, murder, drug abuse, gang crimes.

Nobody watches an episode of 24 and then goes on a killing rampage. But there are ALOT of people that begin to get into this life of crime because these criminal scum rappers make it seem like it's the "cool" thing to do.

I'm right. I've encountered alot of people that come from good homes that, because of this BS, start to get into it.

These rappers don't only make it seem like it's where they come from, they make it seem like it's the right thing to do. It affects people, and that is truth. So I say, the government needs to BAN them, ARREST them, and PUNISH them and anybody who supports their BS message.

Darth Terent · 07-10-2008, 12:03 PM

What I mean is, if we truly wish to exterminate this gang and criminal mentality, how CAN we allow this type of thing? We must attack the source of the problem, the head of the snake, and the source of the problem is the gangs and criminals themselves.

Alot of rap is nothing more than gang propaganda.

Mike · 07-10-2008, 12:17 PM

Yes, I am from Georgia. I live in Atlanta so, I can see firsthand how this type of music affects the culture.

I don't think the music you speak of (which is FAR different than most of the hip-hop I listen to) really glorifies rape and murder.Honestly, I've NEVER heard a song glorifying rape. Ever. The times that they speak of murder or gang violence, it's the artist saying "This is who I am. This is what I'm from. You have to be this to survive where I'm from." If they aren't hard, aren't violent, they run the risk of getting clapped on. There is no other way around it.

People don't get into a violent lifestyle because a popular rapper makes it seem cool. Have you ever been to an actual ghetto? Like a real project housing, crack dealing, ganged up ghetto? If so, what is the neighborhood like there? Are there good schools? Do they have YMCA's? Does the government actually put any kind of sufficient funding in these areas to make them better? No. The government uses gentrification. Basically, they make the areas that the people typically lived in more and more expensive, pushing them further and further away and forcing them all to live together. Without good schools, proper education is hard to get. Especially when your mother, father and grandparents don't have one due to the same failed system you are living in. So, they look up to the banger or dealer who seems to be making something for himself and take to that. It has nothing to do with the music these people listen to. The music is a reflection of society, not the other way around.

If you knew people who came from good homes who got caught up in this lifestyle, then things for them weren't as good as you thought. Their parents didn't pay enough attention to know well enough to deter this type of action. That is not necessarily a good home.

Where these guys come from, it is the right thing to do. Societies not left them with many choices. So, they take the easy way out. It's not right, and I'm not making excuses but, I know people who live this kind of life. Some revel in it, most hate it. But, it's what they know. It's what they've been around since they were babies. There's no other way. Some are lucky enough to have a talent for rhyming so, they do. Why would they rhyme about hope? Something they don't know.

Darth Terent · 07-10-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike

Yes, I am from Georgia. I live in Atlanta so, I can see firsthand how this type of music affects the culture.

I don't think the music you speak of (which is FAR different than most of the hip-hop I listen to) really glorifies rape and murder.Honestly, I've NEVER heard a song glorifying rape. Ever. The times that they speak of murder or gang violence, it's the artist saying "This is who I am. This is what I'm from. You have to be this to survive where I'm from." If they aren't hard, aren't violent, they run the risk of getting clapped on. There is no other way around it.

People don't get into a violent lifestyle because a popular rapper makes it seem cool. Have you ever been to an actual ghetto? Like a real project housing, crack dealing, ganged up ghetto? If so, what is the neighborhood like there? Are there good schools? Do they have YMCA's? Does the government actually put any kind of sufficient funding in these areas to make them better? No. The government uses gentrification. Basically, they make the areas that the people typically lived in more and more expensive, pushing them further and further away and forcing them all to live together. Without good schools, proper education is hard to get. Especially when your mother, father and grandparents don't have one due to the same failed system you are living in. So, they look up to the banger or dealer who seems to be making something for himself and take to that. It has nothing to do with the music these people listen to. The music is a reflection of society, not the other way around.

If you knew people who came from good homes who got caught up in this lifestyle, then things for them weren't as good as you thought. Their parents didn't pay enough attention to know well enough to deter this type of action. That is not necessarily a good home.

Where these guys come from, it is the right thing to do. Societies not left them with many choices. So, they take the easy way out. It's not right, and I'm not making excuses but, I know people who live this kind of life. Some revel in it, most hate it. But, it's what they know. It's what they've been around since they were babies. There's no other way. Some are lucky enough to have a talent for rhyming so, they do. Why would they rhyme about hope? Something they don't know.

I understand completely what you are saying, but it is simply incorrect. Regardless of why they MAY have started rapping, today it's just different than how it might have been.

In fact, perhaps you have proven my point for me. It's two simple sections:

Firstly, these artists that rap about these things, again, alot of them think they are "pimps" or "gs" or cool" or whatever the fuck stupid words they make up. They are full of themselves.
Not only this, but even after they become successful rappers, they CONTINUE this lifestyle. It's not just the lifestyle they know, it's the lifestyle they WANT.

They are arrogant, ignorant, and SUPPORT everything I have described. And they make no attempt to redeem themselves.

They attempt to glorify themselves, when in reality they are pieces of shit. I value mud more than most rappers.

These people have no morality. So even if they KNOW that what they are doing (like dealing drugs) is wrong, they still do it? There is no "for survival". I'd do what I thought was right, not their BS. I'd never, EVER, EVER do ANYTHING to shame my Flag, Faith, or Family. I'd rather die. And this proves they are GREEDY.

But here is my strongest case which I hope you can refute. If what you say is true, why, then, do most rappers continue and continually support these things long after they have become successful and rich?
Let us take this Ice Cube person. It's obvious he is a drug user; it's obvious he is a member of the Crips gang.

But why? Why does he glorify it? As I said, it's because he is full of himself, greedy, and ignorant.

And the greatest problem? It affects the youth who may be trying to fit in. Honestly, how many teens that come from good neighborhoods adopt a ghetto mentality? Too many.

The ONLY rapper that fits your description was Tupac. He was truly as you described, the rest are arrogant bastards that are a threat to society.

Mike · 07-10-2008, 01:19 PM

The only rapper you've heard of that fits what you've thought I said is Tupac.

Ice Cube makes family movies now. Not sure how "Are We There Yet?" glorifies rape and killing.

The answer to your question, I've already answered. They continue to rap about what they rap about because, having more money or a larger house doesn't make the essence of your being any different. They are the same person they were before they made it. Only, now they just have to rap about what it was like to sell drugs instead of actually trapping. It's simple, thugs in the hood want to hear music that seems like it's made for them. It's the same with everyone who likes music. People don't want to hear shit they can't feel. So, in order to sell more CD's and be able to stay out of the hood, they rap about being there. It's simple economics. Business. Nothing wrong with that.

Darth Terent · 07-10-2008, 01:33 PM

But there can be something wrong with the content. Their music does nothing to make these "thugs in the hood" stop being "thugs in the hood".

Therefore, you are quite right. Or at least, you've shown me that these rappers have such lives, and what does that mean? We must stop it!

If we wish to eliminate such lyrics, we must eliminate such lifestyles, and therefore, I say, the government really needs to step up it's policing, primarily of poorer neighborhoods. Let us see if these rappers dare continue after their criminal organizations are ripped apart and destroyed by the great Red, White, and Blue.

So if they want to rap about DRUGS, RAPE, VIOLENCE, MURDER, GANGS, CRIME, and if they are actually PROUD of it and want to spread this PROPAGANDA to the youth, let them be. They will be destroyed eventually (the gangs).

Mike · 07-10-2008, 01:41 PM

Wow, you're kind of ridiculous.

You really think the government wants this stopped? You really think the government was the poor neighborhoods to be good neighborhoods? No. You are completely naive. The government wants the status quo to stay the way it is. If it creates violence, they don't care. It's in a neighborhood that they don't have to worry about. Your answer to the problem, IMO, is scarier than the problem. Instead of arresting and punishing, we should be educating and rehabilitating. But, the governement doesn't want that. Yes, you're precious Red, White and Blue isn't very concerned about the problems of the lower class. Especially if that lower class has a different skin tone.