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Old 07-02-2008, 08:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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360 3 rings of death theory

Hey All,

This is my first post to a forum but I have a theory that I am keen to bring to other's attention regarding the 3 rings of death. If your 360 had broken down recently then I would be really interested to hear who has experienced the same thing.

Before I go into this I would like to explain that I am not a console fanboy, I own a 360, Wii and recently purchased a PS3, 360 is currently my most used console because the games available (Halo 3, Forza, Mass Effect) more closely match what I want to play and I like the usability of Live and Acheivements so what I am saying is I have no real beef or axe to grind with any console manufacturer but I do feel "put out" but the whole 360 breaking down issue.

So my point is this, I have owned my 360 for 1.5 years, having purchased it in Dec 2006. I didn't play it much initially, beyond completing Gears. I work full time and really only have around 4-6 hours a week for gaming (missus at home, one tv to share - you know the score . I knew about the 3 rings of death issue and my understanding was that its caused by the solder on the GPU getting too hot, a connection goes and hey presto 3 rings of death.

So while playing GTAiV recently I noticed the 360 was crashing more and more, to the point that I would load up GTA and it would crash around 20 seconds after loading. I tested my other games and same thing. I tested a film DVD and same thing. B$gger I thought its gone. However no three rings of death.

So knowing about this 3 year warranty I head to the Microsoft 360 service center web site. The warranty that was covered in all the major press only covers the 3 rings of death otherwise you pay £50.99. Ok I think that's not great but I'd rather have a working 360 than a brick right? So like a good citizen I pay my money, and get the 360 back in 10 days fully repaired with a note from Microsoft with the Motherboard ticked as being faulty, and saying it had been fully replaced and tested and a one month free membership to Live.

Good service I think.

But then I a couple of days ago I was speaking to a friend on his second 360 (this is a regular theme amongst 360 owners) saying his was screwed - similar fault but more severe as it attempts to load the game and crashes every time on loading - screwed 360. But no three rings of death. I then spoke to another friend whose console broke down a month back - similar fault no three rings of death.

SO what am I getting at here following this lengthy post? Well this - we all know that the 360 failure was caused by Microsoft rushing out the console without testing it fully in an effort to beat Sony to market - fair enough, they did well. But they essentially released a product not fit for purpose. We also know that Microsoft had to set aside just over a billion to offset future repair costs.

It occured to me that it would be pretty simple for Microsoft to "turn off" the 3 rings of death lights in a system update then make us all pay for repairs by stating they only cover that particualr fault in their extended warranty - very sneaky and frankly very Microsoft-like business practises. As I said I have no axe to grind, I don't hate Microsoft, the 360 was the first next gen console I bought but I have a strong suspicion that this is how they have offset their liability - no 3 rings of death, no extended warranty free repair, much smaller liability in terms of repair costs. (I don't doubt the motherboard will have cost more than £50.99 with p and p but that's not really the point).

I'm very interested to know if any of you guys have experienced similar - obviously we're talking recent failures as I think they will have removed the warning in a recent system update....
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Old 07-02-2008, 02:04 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Interesting idea, but I just recently had and fixed a RROD on one of my consoles.
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Old 07-02-2008, 02:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
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[quote=airbreddles;1264693]Hey All,

It occured to me that it would be pretty simple for Microsoft to "turn off" the 3 rings of death lights in a system update then make us all pay for repairs by stating they only cover that particualr fault in their extended warranty

/QUOTE]

....wow....you are amazing sir.

You are saying, that Microsoft turned off the RROD, but other errors (like game freezing) will occur, and since it isn't RROD you don't get the 3 year warranty and have to pay.

1. You are stupid.
2. If your game freezes, you are close to getting the RROD, just keep on playing and you will get it eventually.
3. You can't turn off the RROD, it is caused by a physical broken electrical connection, you can't magically repair it over the internet. Microsoft can't turn it off.

You're dumb.
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Old 07-02-2008, 04:42 PM   #4 (permalink)
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He means turn the feature off, so if you do have what we know as RROD it is just a normal error and every error can be under the extended warranty. He didnt mean just turn off RROD, if that was possible we might aswell just cure cancer while were at it! ha
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Old 07-02-2008, 04:48 PM   #5 (permalink)
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[quote=madden08;1265058]
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Hey All,

It occured to me that it would be pretty simple for Microsoft to "turn off" the 3 rings of death lights in a system update then make us all pay for repairs by stating they only cover that particualr fault in their extended warranty

/QUOTE]

....wow....you are amazing sir.

You are saying, that Microsoft turned off the RROD, but other errors (like game freezing) will occur, and since it isn't RROD you don't get the 3 year warranty and have to pay.

1. You are stupid.
2. If your game freezes, you are close to getting the RROD, just keep on playing and you will get it eventually.
3. You can't turn off the RROD, it is caused by a physical broken electrical connection, you can't magically repair it over the internet. Microsoft can't turn it off.

You're dumb.
sorry but dont call someone stupid just because you dont get what they are saying. The guy means that microsoft could remove the RROD symbol (3 flashing red lights) and make the xbox say "error 56" or whateva. This way microsoft could just ask people to pay 50 dollars for repair because "error 56" would not be covered in the warranty like the "RROD".

Now to the post, yes microsoft could do that but come on, that would be extremly unfair towards the customers and if someone would find out this happened microsoft could have legal problems.
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[quote=madden08;1265058]
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Hey All,

It occured to me that it would be pretty simple for Microsoft to "turn off" the 3 rings of death lights in a system update then make us all pay for repairs by stating they only cover that particualr fault in their extended warranty

/QUOTE]

....wow....you are amazing sir.

You are saying, that Microsoft turned off the RROD, but other errors (like game freezing) will occur, and since it isn't RROD you don't get the 3 year warranty and have to pay.

1. You are stupid.
2. If your game freezes, you are close to getting the RROD, just keep on playing and you will get it eventually.
3. You can't turn off the RROD, it is caused by a physical broken electrical connection, you can't magically repair it over the internet. Microsoft can't turn it off.

You're dumb.

In fact your coming across a little dumb. He means that in an update microsoft maybe turning off the lights that alarm you to the 3RROD. Geez.
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sorry but dont call someone stupid just because you dont get what they are saying. The guy means that microsoft could remove the RROD symbol (3 flashing red lights) and make the xbox say "error 56" or whateva. This way microsoft could just ask people to pay 50 dollars for repair because "error 56" would not be covered in the warranty like the "RROD".

Now to the post, yes microsoft could do that but come on, that would be extremly unfair towards the customers and if someone would find out this happened microsoft could have legal problems.
No I understood him. But the only way that Microsoft could get consoles to do that, would be to recall all consoles and modify the internal hardware.

When you get the RROD, the system hasn't booted up yet, so no software update could turn the RROD on or off. It is a hardware triggered problem and error light flashing thing.

All hardware, software doesn't come in contact with making the RROD flash.

Microsoft wouldn't and can't release a download to stop the RROD and convert it to another error.

That is like saying can't modern medicine release something to change brain cancer to lung cancer, it is in the brain, and the only way to turn it off would be to fix it (with cancer it isn't all that easy though)
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Interesting theory, but if they could do this, I dont think that they actually would as it wouldn't be worth the risk. As someone already stated, they could face extreme legal issues and be sued for hundreds of millions of pounds if it got found out which it would.
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But couldn't they do that to the new consoles that are in the stores. I've only had mine for about 4 months and already on my second one. Mine did the same thing. I never got a RROD but was unplayable. A couple buddies of mine did the same thing and those were bought new since January. Sure they can't do it to the old ones via update but they can sure do it to the ones coming out of the factory now that are new.
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Yes they could.

They aren't and won't.
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