3 Red Lights of Death Fix - Page 10

Cosmos · 09-24-2009, 07:35 PM

Just what i was looking for. Many thanks

techytype · 10-12-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by FieryRedRing

Sorry mate,

I need to build up my threads before I can reply to your PM !!!

Looks like great stuff though. I might get some.

Email me instead !!!

try this
Innovation Cooling

the link shows what is boasted this paste will do, personally i recommend using the best avaialble but i have not tried this compund as yet. price is near same as artic slver.

Concerns.
if you google the IC paste you will see claims that it is a superior cooling agent, but that is not realy correct as in no way will paste directly cool anything - its not a fan, air conditioning or ice cubes lol!.

what the paste is for is to fill the microscopic grooves caused by the tooling in the CPU surface, also in the heatsink surface which occur in production, this paste then aids better heat transfer from the chip into heat sink for increased heat dissipitation.

one claim is that 337 (?) members tried it out on their machines wth a net reduction of 3.01 decrease in CPU temperatures.

hmmm! at first read looks very convincing, but i'm the etrenal synic (read aka critic), so with all DUE respects to them, all these machines differ in build, working location (hot/cold, well ventilated - or not!) and use,.

so this to my mind is a very subjective and flawed claim to this pastes superiority, it simply can not be taken as proof positive - well by me at least (and yes i'm very damned hard to please or convince).

if you want to proove this or that is superior then you must do exact comparive tests in laboritory conditions undertaken by train tecnicians where the only variant is the item being compared i.e. the paste, otherwise the variables creep in to muddy th waters and mess up the correct conclusions.

as exsample, accept for this argument, i'm a highly trained, skilled very experienced technician, so i could get consistantly get the best possible results from a poorest possible paste, where as a novice with the 'best' paste would likely get worse results than me, unless they were lucky.

i note nowhere is it claimed any of the members are trained technicians, or like for like machines were placed in a controlled enviorment and directly compared running the same program at the same intensity.

so i guess i'm not convinced - but i'll give it a go

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Nagoshi · 10-13-2009, 02:26 AM

I cant really tell you much more than try it yourself. I have used it myself and saw drops in temps between 1 to 5C over AS5, no matter the application method used. I am not the only one that can report such drop temps too.

Here's a link to a test that my buddy did at his home. Again, nothing completely controlled but it shows some results.

Overclockt.com • View topic - IC diamond Carat 7 vs. Artic SIlver 5

techytype · 10-13-2009, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Nagoshi

I cant really tell you much more than try it yourself. I have used it myself and saw drops in temps between 1 to 5C over AS5, no matter the application method used. I am not the only one that can report such drop temps too.

Here's a link to a test that my buddy did at his home. Again, nothing completely controlled but it shows some results.

Overclockt.com • View topic - IC diamond Carat 7 vs. Artic SIlver 5

honest i'm not knocking it, i'm just wary of such broad claims which migh still be true just not really proven,

the makers say it is made from finely ground diamonds, with a solution to keep it together. this process they say means less solution to paste, so in theory should be an improvement in longevity as won't pump out under extremes.

my post was an example in how to look at other people's even very honestly held conclussions, and how they can be badly flawed with all the best of intensions. the example dont just apply to xboxes but life in general

your own tests on the same machine which tbh i'd guess is as close as you will likely get for reasonable comparisons, your happy so its worthy of persisting with, and i will be buying some for my own tests at some time (after the gallons of artic silver is all used up).

i have several repaired machines waiting for buyers, and although ideally i'd have several new machines as subjects, the expense is not recoverable, but some conclusions can still be drawn.

if you going to be into repairing xbox's and pc's, there is no harm in having alternatives in the locker to try on the more difficult repairs (i kow this because i've got a shed load lol!).

the maker claims it is easier to apply, what is your opinion (based on a 1000 machines of course).

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Nagoshi · 10-13-2009, 12:00 PM

The IC7 is a PAIN to apply. I just don't bother with it at all. It's really "paste", there's no other word to describe it. It takes quite some work to learn how to apply it... I don't even bother anymore on my computer because the surface to apply the paste to is way too big (the whole integrated heatsink on the chip). It's also a pain to remove.

But even by dropping a blop on the middle of the chip's IHS did net an improvement in the temps when comparing it with applied and cured AS5. (The AS5 has a cure time of about 200 hours)

When I do my test... well when I did (not those in the links I provided), I was using a said HSF with AS5 applied and cured since a long time. I then turned the computer off, pulled the HSF, changed the paste and re-applied the HSF, and fire it back up and do my tests. It doesn't even take one hour, during which the ambient conditions stays around the same. I know my friend did the same thing in his tests (in the Welcome to the Frontpage link) so that's why I trust his results.

techytype · 10-13-2009, 03:50 PM

so if i got it right, what your saying is it's a pia to use, but when finaly done gives a measurably better result in a shorter space of time.

pro's and cons need to be thought more about, and if the improvement over the easier to use Aric Silver is actually needed, or are we going out of our way in a wild search for excellence?

there is a reasonable point to go to with improving anything, as example there's no real point in putting F1 wheels and tyres on a Reliant Robin or a Fiat Panda, but then might be said - aint worth putting any sort of wheels on either of them lol!

Nagoshi · 10-14-2009, 09:03 AM

Personally I don't apply it on my processor. I apply some kind of line on the IHS of my chip, let it "evaporate" for 10 minutes as required then secure the heatsink. On the 360 it's going to be way easier since it is a naked core, and the heatsinks aren't as large as my computer's heatsink or my waterblock

As a matter of fact I just set up a kick-ass AMD socket 754 setup yesterday, and I am using a mobile processor which has a naked core, I just dropped a blop of IC7 on the core, waited and secured the heatsink. Temps are marvelous, altho I did not test with AS5 since I don't have enough left